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E 22 – John Kelsey on Developing Generations of Intentional Disciplemakers (part 1)

A while back, I was on Facebook and saw a really well thought out post from John Kelsey on the struggles and challenges of developing multiple generations of intentional disciple makers. It was so good, I invited John on the podcast to flesh out his points a little more.  You can see his entire post below. 

JOHN’S POST

I really thought that I had a robust understanding of intentional disciplemaking. You can’t spend 26 years around Max and Sandra Barnett as a student and staff member without growing exponentially! I could not be more thankful for being a part of their legacy!

At the same time, I am just beginning to realize the vast depth of developing generations of intentional disciplemakers. Two environments over the last few years are shaping my thinking:

1. Developing generations of disciplemakers in the local church, particularly one focused on serving the poor and disenfranchised.

2. Developing generations of disciplemakers in a diverse professional demographic that includes the technical trades, military, law, engineers, and graduate students.

These two environments have led me to several conclusions:

1. Developing generations of disciplemakers to be fruitful over the long haul is much more difficult, and takes longer, than I understood it to be. There are no shortcuts to developing lifetime laborers for the Kingdom. You need to know what you’re doing and not give up. You also need to rely a lot more on the Holy Spirit than you do right now.

2. Developing generations of disciplemakers to be fruitful over the long haul requires a greater degree of varied community input than I understood it to be. Tribalism and the inability to connect disciples to a larger movement are enemies to developing lifetime laborers for the Kingdom. You need to help people contextualize the Great Commission in a much broader community. You also need to rely a lot more on the Holy Spirit than you do right now.

There’s a lot more that I’m chewing on, but I don’t have enough coffee to keep writing.

***UPDATED***
4.23.18

Well, I’ve made another pot of Ethiopian Jimma. Time to keep going!

3. Developing generations of disciplemakers to be fruitful over the long haul requires a regular re-examination of ministry tools. We are in ministry information overload in this country right now. For those of us in full-time ministry, there is a combination of boredom with doing the same thing over and over and pressure to create something new to offer the Kingdom. The vast majority of lifetime laborers do not make their living from the Gospel. They need simple, consistent ministry tools that they have had time to master in multiple contexts. Those of us leading disciplemaking ministries must offer ongoing ‘technical support’ for these ministry tools instead of focusing on the latest book or illustration. You also need to rely a lot more on the Holy Spirit than your favorite ministry tools.

4. Developing generations of disciplemakers to be fruitful over the long haul requires a much greater commitment on my part than I understood it to be. The temptation is to focus on creating communities with powerful disciplemaking momentum. However, as much as we need these communities to reinforce biblical principles, we cannot effectively develop lifetime laborers for the Kingdom apart from one-on-one training. Those of us leading disciplemaking ministries must model the process and outcomes we want to see in the individual. You also need to rely a lot more on the Holy Spirit than your ability to do one-on-one.

No kidding, I drank all of my coffee. I’ll write more later.

***UPDATED***
5.3.18

My next shipment from MistoBox has arrived. Thanks Jen for the Christmas present! This El Salvador Talmanica is fantastic!

5. Developing generations of disciplemakers to be fruitful over the long haul requires a much stronger commitment to prayer than I ever imagined. I always believed in prayer, and have practiced prayer throughout my ministry. However, the older I get, the more convinced I am of verses I memorized while in college: “Unless the Lord builds the house, they labor in vain who build it; unless the Lord guards the city, the watchman keeps awake in vain.” Psalm 127:1; “I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.” John 15:5. The pitfall of younger disciplemakers is to think that they are more in control of the growth process than the Holy Spirit.

6. Developing generations of disciplemakers to be fruitful over the long haul requires more encouragement and support than I understood it to be. The vision of intentional disciplemaking gripped my heart in college. Since then, I have never doubted this biblical mandate, and am committed to develop lifetime laborers regardless of the opinions of those around me. However, I have come to realize that I am exponentially more effective when I receive encouragement, support, and ongoing training to fulfill my calling. I taught on the importance of teams, but personally thought I had enough horsepower to get the job done with or without any help. I fundamentally misunderstood the biblical power of visionary community, and what others could offer to help me be more effective in the Kingdom. You see this clearly in Acts 2:42-46. I need to rely upon the Holy Spirit and His plan for developing lifelong laborers more than just my passion for making disciples.

I’m noticing my points are getting longer and longer. The caffeine must really be kicking in!

Today, we will be focusing on the first 3 points.

 

E21 – Reconciliation – Obeying the Commands of Jesus

Go and be reconciled with your brother.  It’s not an easy command to obey, but it is an important one. In obedience, we find peace and joy.  In this episode Dave shares about a recent experience where he needed to reconcile with his neighbors.

E20 Teaching them to Obey: The Commands of Jesus Matt 11:28-30

Jesus commanded us in the Great Commission to teach them to obey everything he had commanded. Today we are starting a new series about the different commands of Jesus and how we can apply them to our lives. How do we be better disciples? How do we help our people be better disciples through obedience?

This won’t be an ongoing series that happens every week, but it will be something that we come back to from time to time as we examine different commands of Jesus and wrestle with how to obey them in our lives.

E19 – Are we teaching the Bible or are we teaching about the Bible?

The Bible is the foundational Word of God, but are we actually teaching it to people or are we just teaching them about it? Are we leading them in a process of learning to hear from God as they read His Word, or are we just teaching them knowledge about the Bible?  If we are, where is our proof?  If we cannot point to where we can see evidence of them applying the word of God in their lives and being changed, then maybe we need to reevaluate how we are teaching the Bible.

 

Cigarettes in the church parking lot – Deep Water Short

Something to chew on today.  Go and be a disciple this week.  Go and make a disciple this week.

E18 – 4 Misconceptions about the Great Commission and Disciple Making

If the Great Commission is one of Jesus’ greatest commands you can be sure it is one the enemy will try to confuse you about.  Here are 4 misconceptions that might be keeping you from fully obeying Jesus’ command to make disciples.

E17 Todd Tillman – Disciple making with a full time job – Part 2

How do you make disciples with a full-time job? It is one of the biggest questions we hear.  Todd shares some of the challenges he has faced in learning to make disciples while still holding down a 40+ hour a week job and taking care of his family. He’ll also share what he has learned along the way and what his discipling strategy looks like now.

E16 – Todd Tillman – Disciple making with a full time job (part 1)

How do you make disciples with a full-time job? It is one of the biggest questions we hear.  Todd shares some of the challenges he has faced in learning to make disciples while still holding down a 40+ hour a week job and taking care of his family. He’ll also share what he has learned along the way and what his discipling strategy looks like now.

Bonus Episode: John Allison – Mission work, partnership, and strategy in Japan

Bonus episode. What does it look like to partner cross-culturally?  How can a short-term team be used well?  How do we strategically engage in mission work?

E15 – John Allison – Discipling and Reaching Millennials

What do you hear about millennials?  How are they going to affect your church?  How do you reach and disciple millennials?  John shares some amazing insights and practical applications from his daily interactions and observations of the students he works with every day.  He also goes into some great missional strategy for reaching more people and expanding the kingdom of God deeper into a group.

If you are interested in supporting John’s ministry you can go to https://reliant.org/john.allison

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